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Can anyone tell me…I play hong kong mahjong new style. when you are adding up your fan after going mahjong if you get "all Types & all Pungs" which both score 3 fan do you add them together to make 6 fan?

So basically do you double up like you can with most of the chow hands?

Re: Read before posting! by Mahjong QueenMahjong Queen, 11 Jan 2016 19:10

The Super Real Mahjong series is an Eroge so I went ahead and removed them from the list, if someone feels they need to be added back to it they can

Re: Video Games by PringerPringer, 28 Sep 2014 22:45

Playing Mah Jong since 10 (I'm 51 now) I really love your Wiki: the layout is very compreensive, sistematic and a pleasure to follow.
Knowing the western style and chinese old style (note I don't call it "Hong Kong" - I learned it 30 years ago from a colleague from Macao and it's played by many chinese comunities all over the world) fairly well I'd just wanted to offer my two cents…

It seems your only source of info is the Amy Lo book along with the 9 dragons and 4 wind software. There are other books on the subject, mainly Pearlmen & Chan's "The Chinese Game of Mahjong" and Constantino's "Let's Play Mahjong".

The system of scoring is pattern-based and may be categorized in three types: "Fan" type, "Lak" type and "Poon-Lart":
- The first one (absent from your pages) is a geometric progression allways doubling score for each Fan: "2-Fan" is the system traditionally used by begginers and for quick (not gambling!) games since it's easy to memorize and apply. Its main problem is that after 5 Fan scores get too big. So, veteran player groups who routinely get higher Fan prefer to use one of the other systems.
- The Lak type (1st and 2nd variation in your pages: only one was enough!) uses "steps" in higher Fan (higher then 4 or 5 Fan and groupjng two or three Fan together, depending on the preference) grouping two ou three fans together in order to lower (limit: "Lak") the higher scores. The main criticism is that getting more one or two Fan more in score sometimes doesn't get the rightfull reward (it's a "stepped" progression).
- finally the "Poon-Lart" type; it's the used system in most chinese gaming groups (your "3rd variation") and consists in halving ("Poon") some values of the Fan in order to get a less steep progression. Another well-used alternative progression different from the one in your pages is 2-4-8-16-24-32-58-54-96.


Chinese Old Style scoring by macorammacoram, 21 Sep 2014 11:49

I was just going to ask this question, only to find I've already done it. :)

If nobody objects, I'll just start doing it.

Re: Playgroup Directory by TorgoTorgo, 14 Nov 2011 21:51

Should we add a playgroup directory? Where people play, what the group is called, the URL to their web site, that kind of thing.

Useful or not?

Playgroup Directory by TorgoTorgo, 24 Jun 2011 18:47

No mahjong style is perfect. I thought it might be nice to add a criticisms page to each style to point out the flaws, real and perceived, in each. Does anyone else see value in that?

Video Games
tankbottankbot 24 Jul 2010 15:44
in discussion Mahjong Wiki Discussion / News » Video Games

I've added an extensive list of mahjong video games for the handhelds and consoles (excluding PC). I haven't check all the titles so I wouldn't be surprised if there were any solitaire games in this list — sorry! By no means is this a complete list. I basically ran a search for 'mahjong' against several ROM sites for titles and then aggregated them.

Video Games by tankbottankbot, 24 Jul 2010 15:44
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TorgoTorgo 27 Mar 2010 21:20
in discussion Mahjong Wiki Discussion / News » Simulations

I added another table to the wiki. It was my first attempt to find the absolute and relative frequency of all kinds of kong pung opportunities in a game. I hope you'll all take a look at it, give it some thought, and suggest ways it could be improved to make it more useful.
Simulations Page

Simulations by TorgoTorgo, 27 Mar 2010 21:20

OK. Just moved off the top of the front page. Cool.

Re: What happened to WSoM? by TorgoTorgo, 17 Mar 2010 01:42

I am a big fan of the Zung Jung scoring system used in the World Series of Mahjong. I've been teaching it to people new to mahjong, and I find they pick it up well and don't find it too intimidating.

Oh, I had updated the scoring for v3.2 as well.

Was there no interest in it?

What happened to WSoM? by TorgoTorgo, 17 Mar 2010 01:38

If you have any questions about the table, please ask away. Also, feel free to suggest improvements, or just add them yourself.

Please add your comments by TorgoTorgo, 16 Mar 2010 14:37

I have finished my draft of the scoring pattern combinatorics page. Sorry I'm not sure how to link to it, but check Recent Changes on the left bar. I invite everyone to review, comment, and question it. I'll start a thread in the forum.

Possible improvements:

* Someone should check my numbers. I wrote a program that actually counts the combinations, but I'm not sure the results are perfect.
* More scoring systems could be added to the table.
* More scoring patterns can easily be added, and should be easy to work out.

Combinatorics by TorgoTorgo, 16 Mar 2010 14:29

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Mahjong Wiki Turns 2! by tankbottankbot, 07 Feb 2010 17:12

The upcoming year is the ox, marking Mahjong Wiki being 1 (lunar) years old! I've already seen Hello Kitty 2009 mahjong sets on ebay (although they have it listed as year of the cow???) Anyways, I have a feeling this is a good year for mahjong.

I first launched this site to coincide with the year of the rat (Feb 7, 2008) with a goal to make mahjong more accessible to English-speaking players. A year has gone by and we've made a lot of progress and yet a lot more progress can still be made. I'm still looking for contributors. If you would like to write, edit, translate, or share your love and knowledge of mahjong feel free to join.

Keep a look out for upcoming changes. tankbottankbot

UPDATE 1/30/09
I decided to give our tile set a little umph by applying some of my photoshop skills to the mangan font. Hope you enjoy.

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Happy Lunar New Year! by tankbottankbot, 27 Jan 2009 02:04

The list of changes on constantly ongoing and updates are made frequently. There won't be an update on every single issue in the change log but I thought I'd post on what's happening just to let everyone know things are in progress. - tankbottankbot

  • Adding resources links to rule pages
  • Relocating images to local servers
  • Renamed Japanese Modern (EMA) to European Riichi
2008-12-20 by tankbottankbot, 21 Dec 2008 02:44

I don't mind changes that would affect all the other rules. I expect several revisions to be made to the format before it's bearable. If you want to implement a change, we just need to make the changes across the board.

Ideally, I'd like all the rules self contained and cut down on the referencing back to the basic rules. It makes no sense to have a beginner who wants to learn a specific type of mahjong have them read two sets of rules (basic and the specific one) in order to play one style. Not to mention how confusing it'll be if they differ a great deal.

I'll admit that I'm guilty of making the dealing, seating, and gameplay sections stripped down versions. That's only because there's a lot of content that can be added and these sections can always be returned to later.

continued from BAMJD forum…

Well obviously I made some pretty bad assumptions.

First off, I didn't know this:

My thought process behind this was that all rules sets would be "self-contained" meaning you shouldn't have to read the whole site to learn how to play this style.

so of course the terminology has to stay. Do you want the terminology in both the overview and gameplay pages like how it is now?
I'll flesh out the sections that are lacking, but I'll leave out seating, dealing, and anything explained in the beginner's guide. (Seating and dealing are linked in the overview page. The beginner's guide is mentioned in the gameplay page.)

Second, everything I wrote was specifically for the HKOS pages, but apparently most of the changes I suggested (such as removing or editing sections) would mean that all the other rules pages would get changed too. In that case I won't be editing or removing any sections. I'll just stick the information in whatever section seems appropriate.

As for that 13 Orphans question, it's just a minor hole in the rules. If you don't care about it then I don't care about it.

The other changes in the scoring section are not major. I just reorganized some stuff and removed redundant info.

You've might have noticed a re-tooling of the wiki's general structure. I hope to include additional content to MJ Wiki. Ideally topics I've had in mind are:

  • Anime
  • Books
  • Equipment
  • Movies
  • Online Play
  • Video Games
  • Rules
  • Symbolism
  • Tournaments

Keep checking back on updates and excuse me for any broken links, etc. I'm working on it.

MJ Wiki Revamp by tankbottankbot, 06 Sep 2008 20:21
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